e-readers and e-books
  • Had a look and decided I couldn't be bothered. I have plenty of other stuff I'd rather be reading.
  • That sounds like a truth universally accepted.
  • If you're going to read a zombie book I highly recommend World War Z by Max Brooks. Realistically written (if such a thing can be said about a book about zombies) and surprisingly emotional in places. I seem to remember slightly drunkly bending @Mr_Kentish and @ZooZooBaaBaa ears about it at the last but one Rodent awards.
  • Having my first bad Kindle experience at the moment. I paid £10.99 for the Kindle edition of "The Invention of Murder: How the Victorians Revelled in Death and Detection and Created Modern Crime", which is a ridiculous price, actually 56p more expensive than the hardback, but I really wanted to read it and books where you have to turn pages are not an option while breastfeeding.

    Anyway, more expensive than the hardback, and the edition is rubbish - tons of typos which appear to have been caused by some kind of conversion (loads of stray full stops, that kind of thing) and the text keeps referring to photos and illustrations "overleaf" which aren't there.

    It's a shame as the book itself is great. I'll leave feedback about it on Amazon, but I'm also thinking of trying to send feedback to the publisher directly. It's taking the piss to charge so much for a shoddy product.
  • Absolutely, Em, do it. Some of the publishers do seem think it's OK to churn out shoddy ebooks and charge full whack (Shadow of the Wind had all the ñ symbols messed up. If I can do it on a forum, a professional typesetter can do it in an e-book). It's really not acceptable - some of the free e-books I've downloaded are perfect, so it really can't take that much effort.
  • I've been tending to avoid books with pictures or diagrams. I just don't trust that they'll do them right. I try the sample first, if I can, but it doesn't always include any images.

    I ended up going for the paper versions of Game of Thrones and Clash of Kings because there were some negative comments about the Kindle version of the former. They are bloody massive though, and I'm kind of wishing I hadn't. (I've already read them, but it was back in my library days, and they would have been hardbacks, I expect.) The Kindle versions both disappeared for a couple of days while I was trying to make my mind up, so maybe they were being fixed.
  • The maps in Games of Thrones are reasonably well reproduced on the Kindle, but if you wanted to refer back to them frequently, it might be a bit of pain. I've had no desire to do so, so I'm happy. On the picture/diagram front, the PowerPoint chapter of Goon Squad was also well done (it switched to landscape mode).

    So it can be done, it just requires a minimal amount of care from the publishers.
  • It was bad OCR that they were complaining about in the reviews. (Although I did think they also said there was no map.)

    The illustrations in Graveyard Book were okay, too, now I think about it. Not all that necessary to the story, though.
  • I have the iPad Kindle Game of Thrones four Fire & Ice books in one volume version, but only got to chapter two in book one so far. Where are the maps/diagrams?

    My iPad Kindle version of Lance Henriksen's autobiography has the full colour illustrations the same as the hardback version.
    Post edited by PVB at 2011-08-10 09:24:25
  • @PVB: Before the first chapter, in the version I've got (downloaded a few weeks ago). Might be worth re-downloading, though the maps don't really add much as far as I'm concerned.
  • Found two maps in a section after the end of the fourth book, one for the North, one for the South. Are they the ones you have?
    Post edited by PVB at 2011-08-10 12:35:11
  • Hooray, my wife has just revealed that my birthday present is on it's way and it's a shiny new Kindle, just in time for our holiday

    I've had a flick through this thread but is there anything I should be looking out for in terms of tracking down cheap stuff? Is this linked in with the wish list doo-hickey on amazon?

    Edit: I've just bookmarked ereader iq, great find, thanks!

    Also, any recommendations on cases would be gratefully received :)

    Post edited by Gorilla_Biscuit at 2011-08-15 16:50:03
  • The Amazon wish lists are a bit borked for the kindle in that they don't show the price (I keep a bit list of books I want to read and would like to scan through them periodically to see if any are going cheap - the prices fluctuate quite significantly). Your best bet is to paste the amazon link into IQ and sort that by current price.
  • ]Also, any recommendations on cases would be gratefully received :)



    I've got one of the official leather cases, and although it's very good quality, I actually find it a bit heavy. Without it on, the Kindle is light enough to hold comfortably one handed, but with it it's back to being the weight of a book, so voiding one of the advantages of the Kindle. So I'd say it's worth looking at the non-leather alternatives.
  • My Kindle, sans case, gets lobbed in and out of my bike bag on a daily basis. It seems fine. So I'd say don't bother.
  • I've got a leather slip-case, just for travel. I take the Kindle out when I'm reading.

    I'm not a huge fan of this particular case, I worry that it's a bit tight and might be pressing buttons while the Kindle is in it. I think I'd prefer one of the Belkin soft ones, but I'm not sure I want to spend any more money on something I'd rarely use.

    As for free books and special offers, I mainly just browse the Amazon Kindle page every now and again. The charts will often flag up any good deals sooner or later.
  • I find the built in light in the official leather cover really bloody useful, so keep that in mind if you're likely to want to read in the dark.


  • That's spot on thanks, I ordered in and it was delivered yesterday. Not sure I'll keep it in there when I'm reading it, but for that money it'll provide a decent bit of protection when I'm chucking it in and out of my bag when we go on holiday next month

  • I know a few chaps on here are fans of popular science books. Well, Quantum (the story of Einstein and Bohr) is currently 99p for the Kindle. I've grabbed it, as the reviews are pretty good and it seems to give as much space to the human element as the science.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Quantum-Einstein-Debate-Reality-ebook/dp/B002RI9ZRC/ref=pd_sim_kinc_2
  • @mogwins Sounds interesting, and for 99p you can't really argue. :)
  • Never heard of this at the time, but in 2009 amazon made a good effort to use technology to break new ground in irony by remotely wiping 1984 from Kindle's without the user's knowledge: http://www.pcworld.com/article/172953/amazon_settles_kindle_1984_lawsuit.html
  • Just been grabbing some ghost story bargains for the Kindle:

    Anthology of Winners from last year's Daily Telegraph Ghost Story Competition, £0.97, haven't read this collection, but I've read some past winners and they're usually good.

    "Ghost Stories of an Antiquary", M.R. James's best collection, freebie.

    Kwaidan: Stories and Studies of Strange Things by Lafcadio Hearn, a collection of traditional Japanese ghost stories with snow ghosts and ghosts with heads like eggs and other Japanese weirdness, also free.
  • That'll do nicely for the holiday, cheers!

    I picked up "Home" by Bill Bryson for a shade under £3 over the weekend
  • Aye, 'tis perfect holiday fodder. I too picked up Home for sub £3. Not got round to reading it myself, but MrsM enjoyed it (and related most of the interesting facts on to me in the process!).
  • This Kindle malarky is amazing, I've just sat at my desk and bought that on my iPhone, and when I get home I'll just sync my Kindle up and it'll download automatically

    I'm easily impressed
  • I love the whole synching with my phone thing. It's so easy just to buy a book when I hear something mentioned or reviewed, and although the reader on the phone isn't ideal for using for any length of time, I often use it to read a few pages of my book if I'm stuck somewhere without the Kindle on me.

    I think bookshops could be doing something with smart phones to get in on the act with e-readers somehow. I was walking round a Waterstones the other day, and saw a couple of titles that I want to read, but I went home and ordered them for the Kindle instead, so Waterstones did the work of getting me to buy, but missed out on my cash.

    It would be great if they set up some kind of agreement with the Kindle where a customer can scan a barcode in a shop with their phone and be able to buy it online then and there, with Waterstones getting a cut of the profit somehow.

    I also think there should be some kind of deal with bookshops where you get the option to get an electronic version of a book as an add-on when you buy a paper copy. Again in Waterstones, I bought a book of short stories because I wanted the paper version - I collect them and want it on my shelf, and it was a nice edition. But it would be handy to also have it on my Kindle so I can read from either. It's something like £8 to buy on Kindle, and I don't want to pay for it twice, but I'd happily pay an extra couple of quid to get an electronic version too. I can imagine a system where you get some kind of code when you buy a paper book which gives you access to a cheap electronic version too.

    I should be telling Amazon this kind of thing rather than the forum, shouldn't I? I might email their feedback thing.
  • Cracking ideas em. You should definitely try to feed them to Amazon.

    Though given their recent complete lack of interest in formatting problems in paid-for ebooks, I wouldn't hold your breath for anything other than a canned response.

    EDIT: If only you knew some kind of retail guru who could make them sit up and listen.
    Post edited by mogwins at 2011-09-05 07:47:01
  • Post edited by mogwins at 2011-09-06 11:52:31
  • mogwins said:


    was this ever made into a movie? the plot reminds me of a film of something similar.

  • @Emzar I agree with the idea of buying the book and getting a cheaper version on your kindle, I tend to look at the books shelves then take a pic and when I get home go order it at amazon, I use library thing I would love it if they had an app so I could add the kindle books to my paperbacks on there. I love my paperbooks I have just under 1000 I just adore the convenience of the kindle though :)
  • @TheGoodbyeGirl, yep I do the same thing, take pics on my 'phone of books that look interesting, then order them later on Amazon. Waterstones must hate me. Although I blame them as I can never find 3 books I want in the "buy 3 for the price of 2" offers, I always get stuck at 2 and am casting about desperately for a third.
  • mogwins said:


    was this ever made into a movie? the plot reminds me of a film of something similar.



    Yup, the Hoskins is in it.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0253200/
  • glenmorangie said: I always get stuck at 2 and am casting about desperately for a third.


    I thought that that was (at least some of) the point of the offer - to get you to buy books that you otherwise wouldn't have bought?
  • @Dacman, Well yes, I suppose it is. However I have a habit of buying books then not reading them for months so the instant gratification thing of buying in a shop isn't a big deal to me. Therefore getting 3 for the price of 2 really just brings the price to the same as what I would have paid online anyway.

    But to prove your point, I ran out of time for delivery before going on holiday, and bought these three in Waterstone's:
    "The Last Hundred Days" by Patrick McGuinness
    "Ready Player One" by Ernest Cline
    "And The Land Lay Still" by James Robertson
    The last one was my desperation punt, but I'm finding it a tremendous read. And I'd probably never have read this if I hadn't had to pick a third "free" book.
    In fact I should be sticking some reviews in the Book Thread. "Ready Player One" especially should appeal to some people on this here forum.
    Post edited by glenmorangie at 2011-09-08 07:45:07
  • mogwins said:


    was this ever made into a movie? the plot reminds me of a film of something similar.



    Yup, the Hoskins is in it.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0253200/


    Ahh yip :) saw the movie was quiet funny :) mind indeed pick up the book in that case :)

  • I had forgotten where I was in LE Modesitt Jr's Recluce saga (a lengthy series of mainly stand-alone fantasy novels set in the same world), so I downloaded the Kindle sample of Natural Ordermage, the one I thought I was up to. I started reading it last weekend to see if it was familiar, and it wasn't, so I bought it and carried on. Having been off work ill today, I spent the day in bed, reading, and finished it off, only to find that it's the first of a two-parter, and the second part is mysteriously more expensive. Bah. ;-)
  • Ha. Yeah, mysterious, that. The same seems to be true of Song of Fire & Ice (Game of Thrones).

    In other purchasing quandaries, I note that Wolf Hall is currently £2.99, but I feel a bit stupid buying it when MrsM has the hardback. There's no way I'm carrying that tome on my commute though.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002RI9ZZ4/ref=s9_simh_gw_p351_d0_g351_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1FGKZ3YQBCDQH3D3CMV2&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128533&pf_rd_i=468294
  • As far as I'm concerned, if I already own the book then it's perfectly acceptable to acquire the digital format though "other" means.
  • Yeah, I agree. Though at £2.99, I don't really begrudge paying for the ease of downloading it straight to my Kindle. It just feels wrong to doubly spurn the tree book!
  • It had it coming. Bloody fossil.
  • @mogwins dont bother with Wolf Hall, its seriously dry I just couldnt get into the story at all as there was tons of background stuff were as I loved the story of Katherine Swynford by Anya Seton
  • My one-man campaign to get things released for the Kindle continues apace.

    I like to claim credit for getting John Scalzi's Old Man's War on the UK Kindle store. I emailed Scalzi when I noticed that it was missing, when all the sequels were there and OMW was on the US store. It appeared a week or two later (although I'd already bought the paperback by then, and in the end didn't really rate it that highly.) I don't know if it really was anything to do with me, but as I say, I like to pretend it was. :-)

    Then, recently, I grabbed Brian Stableford's Halcyon Drift. It's a short bit of space opera from the seventies, by a good writer and at a nice low price. It's also the first of a series, and the fourth volume was mysteriously missing from the UK Kindle store. The publisher has it on their own site, so again I fired off an email, and today I got a reply saying that it would be up in a few days. (I also enquired about the sixth and final volume, which wasn't on their site, and the publisher said it was in the works and would be out soon.) Result.

    I think my next target will be Gollancz, for their Brandon Sanderson stuff. I've never read any Sanderson, but would quite like to, and a while ago I downloaded a sample of the Mistborn Trilogy omnibus. It was later pulled from the store, and I think was probably a mistake, since it seems to be the US Tor edition, not the UK Gollancz edition. The Gollancz site claims the books are available for Kindle, but are they bollocks. The links go to .com.
  • Do what I did for amazon.com purchases that aren't available in co.uk. I temporarily set up a US address as my main address and transferred my Kindle to the .com site. Bought the stuff and then changed everything back.

    It required a valid US zip code, so I just used Amazon's head office address in the US (easily googleable). ;)
  • @Muttley :) hehe good move, even better if you actually know some who lives in the US though :)
  • @mogwins dont bother with Wolf Hall, its seriously dry I just couldnt get into the story at all as there was tons of background stuff were as I loved the story of Katherine Swynford by Anya Seton


    Ooh, book fight time! :p Wolf Hall is probably in my top ten books of all time. Well, top 20 at least. I found it gripping, funny how books can affect people so differently. :) Loved it and can't wait for the second part to come out. Definitely get it on Kindle!

  • I have spent the last week soaking up sun by a pool in Italy flying through books on my Kindle.

    What has made be laugh is the number of conversations you catch within earshot when you pull out a Kindle in a departure lounge, when everybody suddenly becomes a disparaging expert. If I was a more forthright person I would have been inclined to turn round and tell them "actually it's really rather good, you enjoy having a suitcase full of paperbacks old boy!"
  • @Emzar :) yeah its odd isnt it, when i read the little bit on the back of the book which is how I judge if I'll like it or not I thought oh this should be good as its about a period in english history I like plus its a true story, oh well sure if we all liked the same thing the world would be a boring place eh :).

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